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 Post subject: Things You'd Like to See in TOB
PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 8:46 pm 
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Lord M has a fair bit of plot already fashioned in TOB, but not all of it is finalized. Before I start working on anything, I'd like to get some feedback about what people already expect about TOB, and things they'd like to see.

For instance: is there a loose end in SOA that you'd like to see wrapped up? A particular issue you'd like to see addressed? Particular questions or dialogs you're dying to see?

Here are the rules:

1) Suggestions have to be PG-13 (although you can go to 'R' if it's implied). Meaning you can't suggest something like "Imoen comments on PC's penis size", but you could do something like "Imoen admires PC's tight pants".

2) Just because you suggest it doesn't mean I have to include it.

3) If I *DO* include it, I'll give you a mention in the Read Me, but you don't get anything special other than that (except the satisfaction of knowing you contributed to the enjoyment of Imoen fans everywhere).

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Things that are already in my mind (but, again, NOT certain if they'll appear). You're also welcome to comment on these:

- More distinction between the male and female romance paths.
- The issue/question of marriage and children.
- Imoen's Taint and how it affects her
- The possibility to (try to) corrupt Imoen somehow (if you're a truly evil protagonist)

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 Post subject: Re: Things You'd Like to See in TOB
PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:59 pm 
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There's one topic in SoA that seems to be cut off. At some point you can talk to Imoen about one of your dreams, telling her she came to Candlekeep when she was 10, and she goes bezerk on you. I remember a thread about it in the old forum, any option you choose will end up lowering your "disposition" towards her. You can put it on hold till you get together, but it still won't lead anywhere, which is weird seeing she makes such a big deal out of it.

About new stuff, some drama between the couple could be fun :twisted:

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 Post subject: Re: Things You'd Like to See in TOB
PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:17 am 
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mm, at 2 am i have this weird feeling i'd like immy to be jealous of some other female char - say Viconia -. If you keep both for the whole game, you see her grow up and possibly lower her jelousy towards her. It would definitly be fun haha.


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 Post subject: Re: Things You'd Like to See in TOB
PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:17 pm 
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More adult parts, perchaps the possibility of a triangle with Aeri :D But deffinitly more descriptions of adult parts, kinda sad that thers always fade to black and nothing more ;P


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:26 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Things You'd Like to See in TOB
PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:26 pm 
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Call me the party-pooper, but I'd actually rather see *less* smut. The SoA part of the mod is already quite explicit - unnecessarily so, in parts - and I don't believe it adds anything to the experience. The game managed to explore all sorts of dark themes in detail without resorting to erotica. It just doesn't seem to fit in with the style. And I say this as self-diagnosed smut addict.

I'd also like to see a little less use of action text as well, though I suppose I don't really mind. Again, the game manages to avoid it, so it just seems a little jarring. *Crazee reads over the sentence and nods*

That doesn't really help all that much, does it? :D Okay then, something I *would* like to see included is a conversation about past companions. This would, of course, be a royal pain in the backside to write, but I can dream, can't I? Or better yet, a conversation or two where Imoen actually asks how the PC is feeling. Might be nice for a change.

Whatever is or isn't included, I'm sure it will be wonderful. I'll be a happy bunny, whatever happens!


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 Post subject: Re: Things You'd Like to See in TOB
PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:40 am 
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Crazee wrote:
I'd also like to see a little less use of action text as well, though I suppose I don't really mind. Again, the game manages to avoid it, so it just seems a little jarring.

They didn't "manage to avoid it", they just were too lazy to write it :D .

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 Post subject: Re: Things You'd Like to See in TOB
PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 8:15 pm 
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Despair wrote:
They didn't "manage to avoid it", they just were too lazy to write it .

It doesn't matter. Mods should be as much as possible similar to vanilla BG. So if there wasn't much action text in vanilla BG, I belive it shouldn't be too much of it in mod.
In cutscenes it's OK, like it was in SoA portion of the mod, but rather not in dialogues.


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 Post subject: Re: Things You'd Like to See in TOB
PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:49 pm 
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The smut didn't really bother me but my favorite NWN mod is A Dance with Rogues, so the Immy stuff looks tame in comparison, heh. I'm also an advocate of action dialogue. :D

Imoen gets a lot of support and counsel from the PC, but it would be nice to see a conversation where the PC can get the same from Imoen. I mean, the PC could just say "I'm doing fine," and that would be the end of it, but it would be nice to let him/her have the option of telling Imoen about fears, insecurities, traumas, etc. The PC has been through a lot, too.


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 Post subject: Re: Things You'd Like to See in TOB
PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:51 pm 
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First of, this is just a collection of my thoughts, I'm sure many things have already been addressed or decided by either Lord M or you. Also mind that it has been a while since I've played BG (and thus the Imoen Mod).

I think one important decision is, how you deal with Watcher's Keep since it's accessible from both the main game and the expansion. It would be strange to completely exclude such a huge area, but at the same time very difficult to write dialogue that makes sense both at the end of SoA and during the whole of ToB. If you have to make a decision you should make it very clear, so that nobody misses out on content (eg having Imoen say "Oh, can't we come back later?" upon entering the area). I for example like to do 2 or 3 levels of the Keep before going into Suldanessallar, the rest somewhere in ToB. Personally I don't have any good suggestions on how to manage this.

Anchor points are of course facing the Ghost of "Gorion" and the trials in the pocket dimension (especially the one facing your mirror image). Sarevok too of course.

One minor scene I can think of: The impact of a city under siege, especially the boy that lost his father (the one you can resurrect).

Things I would like to have addressed:
-What happened between SoA and ToB? Was it a happy time for two lovers or was there always a shadow lurking?
-How do PC and Imoen deal with their power? I'm not talking spawn of Bhaal stuff here, just the "normal" powers. In ToB you can reach up to level 40. You gain HLAs and have multiple level 9 spellslots. This is huge. One person of your party can basically single handedly defeat an army. Characters level 20+ walking Toril are almost gods on earth, at least legends. This is especially evident with Imoen being a spell caster (I'm looking at you Abi Dalzim!). The main scene where I realised this, was the slaughter at the Oasis. You just tear through dozends of poor soldiers in seconds. Just how "regularly powerful" you've become should have big impact on a character driven story like the Imoen Mod.
-I don't know if this is viable at all, but I would like to have Imoen take a more active role. After all she is one of the few children of Bhaal! In ToB Imoen is way too passive for such a huge potential. She doesn't have trials or quests. In the end she even lets you decide what to do with her essence. It would be cool to see her being treated a bit more like the PC. For example making the trials for both (with an additional Mirror Imoen ^^). Your could also make one trial impossible to defeat unless PC and Imoen work *together*. Of course she will ultimately leave the decision about what to do at the end to you, but she should express a clear preference according to your history ("stay with me", "just go", "let blood rain onto the world", etc).
-We absolutely positively need a campfire scene!
-Don't include any not too obvious choices that break the romance or block a huge chunk of content. The one thing I didn't like about the SoA part was the constant fear whether I just broke the romance. We're through that now. PC and Imoen are a couple now and apart from very obvious choices nothing should destroy that.
-Maybe give Imoen a pet at some point? Maybe a squirrel trained to steal cookies? :3 (cute and fluffy, can easily lead to dialogue about a child and to great interaction with Minsc and annoyed or benevolent characters)
-More out of the blue comments (eg: items, wealth, scenery)

Regarding the ongoing discussion about sex:
This is an adult mod. There is no way around it. So I definitely wouldn't hold back on intimacy and sex in general. Just keep it tasteful. A bit descriptive, but never explicit. Touching, caressing, kissing, breathing faster, holding, embracing, feeling the warmth/heart beat of the other, etc. There is a huge space where you can let us know what's going on without being pornographic. It's not easy, but I would go for it. This is a romance after all.


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